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Serenity@aleabitoreddit·7/20 02:46

周日里,没有什么比闻到更多AI资本开支的气味更令人陶醉的了。 如果领先的前沿模型因需求过大而产能不足,可能还需要一些时间。 https://t.co/d8mnuAQdLz

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Irrational Analysis@insane_analyst·7/20 02:36

生态系统中的每个人都无法维持80%以上的毛利率。 市场一直押注英伟达会放弃他们的份额。也许他们会保留。 动动脑子想想,谁会因为廉价的开源模型而受损。不是皮夹克先生。 https://t.co/guJO9YyDDN

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Matt Dratch@DratchCap·7/20 01:10

下面说得好。许多同样在鼓吹RSI的人默默假设Claude/codex并没有阅读每篇关于模型架构的论文……

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Alex Corrino
@AlexCorrino

Funny that both @SemiAnalysis_ and @zephyr_z9 wrote tweets trying to debunk the idea that KDA (Kimi Delta Attention) lowers aggregate HBM demand, but neither one has mentioned the most obvious argument: It's exceedingly likely that the frontier labs have studied this design-space and either implemented some of KDA's concepts already or discarded them because of specific trade offs. The original paper laying out KDA was published in October 2025, and it was itself a follow up to a paper from 2024. We've seen open source models from Google and OAI that approach and handle the issue of context management in both similar and different ways. Yes, Kimi's quality is incremental data saying that KDA is a viable approach. The underlying idea isn't new, and there's zero reason to assume the frontier labs are only learning about this now.

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Paradis Labs@ParadisLabs·7/20 00:48

这是AI版的二战食物配给。 当配给发生时,意味着被配给的东西(食物/计算能力)的定价远低于市场能够承受的水平。 二战期间,英国出现严重的食物短缺和配给。结果,不仅食物价格上涨,土地价格也因政府试图提高食物产量而上涨。 你可以将二战类比映射到AI: - 食物:AI推理、token或模型访问。 - 农场/食物生产者:AI实验室,如Moonshot、OpenAI、Anthropic等。 - 土地:数据中心和晶圆制造能力。 - 拖拉机:GPU、内存和网络/光学器件等。 - 食物配给:订阅暂停、候补名单、使用上限和速率限制。 最终,由于食物(模型访问)被配给,我们需要更多土地(数据中心容量),这意味着我们需要更多拖拉机(GPU、内存等)来实际耕种土地(配备数据中心)。 这就是为什么看到知名媒体发表标题党文章声称Kimi K3是又一个“DeepSeek时刻”既有趣又混乱的原因。

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Kimi.ai
@Kimi_Moonshot

Kimi K3 has received far more love than we expected, and our GPUs are feeling it. Over the past 48 hours, demand has pushed close to the limits of our current capacity. To protect the experience of existing subscribers, we're temporarily pausing new subscriptions and prioritizing compute for current members. Existing subscribed users are not affected. We're adding capacity as fast as we can and will reopen new subscription spots in batches. Going forward, we'll also split membership into two more focused plans: Kimi Membership for Kimi Web, App, and Work; and Kimi Code Membership for coding workflows. This will help us match compute more precisely and keep the experience stable. Thank you for your patience and understanding!

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FUNDA@FundaAI·7/20 00:16

我不认为毛利率达到了那么高。实际数字应该比这低得多。DeepSeek在NAND-Based KV Cache上的激进尝试是独特的,而KIMI尚未实现这一点。 作为参考,更相关的是GLM约15-20%的毛利率。 https://t.co/rHflGXDVgz

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Zephyr
@zephyr_z9

Yes Take Kimi K3 for example, the total parameters are 2.8T (served at fp4, so the total size will be around 1.4T) Kimi K3 is also the sparsest frontier model on the market at just 1.7% They have at least 75%-85% GM on inference

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SemiAnalysis@SemiAnalysis_·7/19 11:48

你最喜欢哪种架子?

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Irrational Analysis@insane_analyst·7/19 08:45

实用半导体光放大器 (SOA) https://t.co/fbGJEZuonR https://t.co/fhlgU5g1jU

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TBU@TBU12345678·7/19 08:36

对面桌的AI工程师在一家JACKETS推荐的餐厅吃晚餐,穿着他妈的一件T恤。提高利率,这样我们就能再掷一次骰子,重新拥有真正酷的有钱人。

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Irrational Analysis@insane_analyst·7/19 05:30

@JeremieEO

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Irrational Analysis@insane_analyst·7/19 05:25

看来法国人已经投降了。

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Matt Dratch@DratchCap·7/18 23:54

“但盒子上写着……”。我感觉被骗了!😉 我特别喜欢的一句话是,你只为糟糕的研究付费……我开始认为我们正朝着类似的方向发展,尤其是在AI代理承担更多工作的情况下。 任务完成成本 > “成本/代币”、基准测试等等。 这也应加速该技术的通缩效应。客户想要物美价廉的“香肠”,如何制作(利润率)则由供应商决定。 顺便说一句,这对供应商不一定有害。杰文斯式的思维并非本能,因此人们难以理解是情有可原的。“不可贪婪”这条建议在3000年里一直有效,因为在大部分时间里蛋糕是固定的。从历史长河看,超越零和思维是非常现代的现象。也就是说,更便宜通常对所有人都更好。

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Kun Chen
@kunchenguid

ok just spent a morning with Kimi K3 as my firstmate, here's my real experience 1. it's very, very slow potentially due to the fixed max reasoning. you should expect the experience of something slightly slower than fable 2. its claimed cost efficiency is not manifesting in real economics i bought the $40 plan, and a few prompts later it's already eaten 1/3 of my 5-hr limit - it was in a single session and my context window was only 200k long at that time i don't care what the benchmark numbers say, and what the face value API pricing is, in reality Kimi K3 burns my Kimi subscription as quickly as Fable burns my Anthropic plan - i observe no efficiency benefit 3. its instruction following capability is weaker than other frontier models firstmate stretches frontier models' reasoning capability and is a really good test that can quickly reveal how good a model is at following instructions the pure "intelligence" of K3 does hold up - it understands my intent very well, and can diagnose problems, delegate tasks all fine but i very quickly noticed many instructions in firstmate's system prompt not strictly followed by Kimi K3. these were never a problem with gpt 5.5, 5.6, opus, fable and grok 4.5 so all in all, i'm now very skeptical of the claimed performance and going to keep my eyes wide open on its true capability

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Jukan@jukan05·7/18 21:22

下次我写一个系列推文,我应该提前起草好全部内容,然后一次性发出。 大家都只读我发的第一部分,然后对此做出反应,对吧? 我半睡半醒时写的,所以如果逻辑混乱请多包涵。https://t.co/JmwtsIrLR0

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SemiAnalysis@SemiAnalysis_·7/18 19:00

一年前,三大巨头是OpenAI、Anthropic和谷歌。情况已经改变。 Moonshot的Kimi K3在所有综合基准测试中均高于Gemini,并且将在10天内开源。 新一期:K3揭示了前沿利润、模型规模以及谁还在游戏中。 00:11 Kimi K3是第三好的模型吗? 04:04 为什么要延迟发布权重? 05:30 2.8T参数与服务约束 06:48 前沿利润与3倍价格上涨 11:10 新架构,接下来是什么 14:09 开源能否追上闭源? 19:51 专为中国加速器打造 22:57 框架即产品 28:49 我们仍处于早期

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Jukan@jukan05·7/18 17:55

据大陆媒体报道,Kimi已告知投资者,其正在调整公司架构以筹备香港IPO,最快可能在六个月内完成。 https://t.co/bs6nbPxvyt

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Jukan@jukan05·7/18 15:44

无论如何,玻璃基板代表着不可避免的未来。 https://t.co/wqvZwRexqk

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Serenity@aleabitoreddit·7/18 12:39

对于关注 $SKHY 相对 SK 海力士韩国股票溢价超过 25% 的人: 该 ADR 与本地股票将于 7 月 29 日实现可转换。 这为套利打开大门,很可能压缩 ADR 溢价。可能拉高韩国股票或施压美国股票。 目前美国 ADR 占 2.5%,因此额外 22.5% 可被转换。

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Jukan@jukan05·7/18 11:23

毫不夸张地说,我来X就是为了这种知识精英主义。这对我来说简直就是色情片。

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Dean W. Ball
@deanwball

Some observations on Kimi: 1. It's a very good model! I don't think its performance can be explained away by distillation or anything like that. In agentic coding sessions, it seems pretty much on par with the best public models of Q1 2026. In my fairly limited use, it also seemed very token hungry. It's not obvious to me that this model is actually that cheap to run. 2. I am personally surprised the Chinese state continues to allow the open sourcing of models this good, given potential risks. To be clear, I *myself* might be fine with models presenting this level of marginal risk being open weight, but I am surprised that China is fine with it. I suspect the reason they are is 75% explained by strategic blindness/lack of AGI-pilledness (the CCP is very Yann Lecun-y in its views of AI). The other 25% or so is their lack of compute for customer inference (making China's open-weight strategy an unintended byproduct of US export controls) and the normal Chinese strategy of aggressive exports. For the companies, as opposed to the government, the decision to open source is partially ideological and partially because they are behind, and they know that very few people would pay for sub-frontier models from China. 3. Open-weight models are inherently decelerationist, and I'm continually surprised to see the so-called "accelerationists" so excited about open-weight models. I suspect the reason they are is that they know open-weight models are effectively ungovernable, and they simply like the overall cloak of ungovernability open-weight models create over the whole of AI. It's not a bad strategy; it reminds me of James Scott's recounting of the hill people in "the art of not being governed." Still, in the end, open-weight models deter further AI capex. 4. One probable outcome of an open-weight-model-dominant world is full AI communism, which is precisely what China proposes: rather than a market product, AI is a "public good" which will ultimately be provided by the state as a kind of "digital public infrastructure." This future strikes me as a dystopian hellscape, but I've never met an open-weight models advocate who doesn't ultimately concede this is where things end. You'd be surprised how many 'accelerationists' lobbied me, while I was in government, to support an eleven or twelve-figure federally funded data center so that startups could train models at a subsidy and then give them away for free. There was no other way for AI to progress, they said. Perhaps this is the logical end state of things. Nonetheless, I find myself surprised to see supposed accelerationists excited about such an outcome. I think many of them just don't know what they're doing. Many accelerationists do not view the creation and serving of frontier models as a legitimate business. 5. I would guess that the Trump Administration will at some point realize that their best strategy here would be to create large amounts of regulatory risk around the use of open-weight Chinese models. You don't need to "ban open source" (one of the dumber motifs of AI policy discussion). You just need to direct every agency to issue soft law that creates FUD. "A Federal Reserve Advisory Bulletin found that there may be backdoors in Chinese AI models." It needn't be that well justified. You just create enough regulatory risk that every regulated enterprise backs off. You probably don't want to create so much regulatory risk that you scare off the hyperscalers from serving Chinese models; this will just drive startups to sketchier providers. There's a happy middle ground here. I'd assume they will do some version of this. 6. It's probably true that open-weight models of this capability make the world a bit more dangerous, but not so much more that you'll really notice. At some point the models will be capable enough that you will notice. "A nonliving, invisible, dangerous, and infinitely self-replicating agent escaped from a Chinese lab," you say? Color me shocked.

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Irrational Analysis@insane_analyst·7/18 10:29

我已经很久没有这么开心、兴奋和有动力了。 现实生活比小说更离奇。 传奇诞生于硅谷创业文化。我将竭尽全力在计算机史上留下印记,至死不渝。生活艰难,死亡容易。https://t.co/mFtkrS804d

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Jukan@jukan05·7/18 10:22

冲啊!!

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Claude
@claudeai

Beginning July 20, Claude Fable 5 will be included in all Max and Team Premium plans, at 50% of limits. Pro and Team Standard users will continue to have access to Fable via usage credits, and will receive a one-time $100 credit. Demand for Fable has been challenging to predict, which is why we rolled it out to subscription plans in stages, extending access several times as we secured additional capacity.

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Serenity@aleabitoreddit·7/18 09:00

谢谢!我一直免费分享个人研究和核心想法。不是为了推销任何东西或告诉别人该怎么做。 最重要的是,只是透明地公开我自己的回报(赢或亏) 也许这种信息民主化让某些商业模式感到不安…… 当其他人试图推销他们40美元的TA订阅时,声称总是正确并预测了半导体崩盘。 但如果他们真的相信这一点,他们本可以通过买入看跌期权赚取5000%以上,就不需要推广付费墙了。 是的,如果我使用1.4倍杠杆,并且如果组合集中在内存/光子学底层资产平均下跌-35%……你会看到49%的回撤。 我只是在分享实际发生的事情。 但我预计AI相关股票会复苏,因为我看到从计算到能源到内存到网络的需求是结构性的。

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Francis
@FrancisCashFlow

everybody hating on serenity posting his -49% pnl is so lame to me its normal to have pullbacks as a trader and he still has a better ytd than all of you its all jealousy that he's grown to 1m followers and they wish they had the same numbers to sell their shitty substack

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